More on disturbing cultural biases

As it turns out, my earlier conversation is degenerating into a case of full-blown conspiracy theory. One fears for the future of humanity when some people appear to be doing their damndest to prove Samuel Huntington correct.


Well I am talking about crypto-jews such as Sarkozy, Merkel, a lot of the Bush administration’s politicians and some nationalist leaders in Turkey. I know some cases from latin-america too. I’m seeing a pattern here and I think that’s so obvious.


Another strange point for Turkey is that some of the extremist “muslim” (!) terror groups have relations with masons and “Dönme”s. Hizbullah in Turkey had (now dead) a Dönme (secret Jewish) leader.

Another point is that in Islam, it is forbidden to kill people (if they are not trying to kill you at that moment). An Islamic leader says “A Muslim can’t be a terrorist and a terrorist can’t be Muslim”. So there can’t be a jihadism (in western means) at all. It is theoretically impossible. You can’t make war with noone if they are not attacking you. Jihad is about making war with your flesh and about spreading the word. So jihadism can’t stem from inside the muslim tradition..

I am trying to stay objective in response, but it is getting near to the point where I’d have to give up on any pretense of carrying out a dialogue, because it’s getting rather clear that what I’m saying is not getting through:

I’m sorry, but that’s being in denial. Most religions’ mainstream followers are moderate, but it is the case that the stray extremists of all creed (be it ultra-Orthodox Jews, fundamentalist Christians, or Islamists) claim to be strict adherents of their respective faith.

Disavowing them is convenient, but does not really help matter. You can call these people apostates, sure, but denying that they come from the same root as the rest of you is really a sophistic argument, it sounds really glib and disingenuous to outsiders.

The fact of the matter is, to a non-Muslim it does look like both Christians and Jews are actually more vocal in their criticism of their own fundamentalist branches, than moderate Muslims are of the jihadists. Your case in point — you deny that they are even Muslims (strictly speaking, they are not, but they come from the Muslim tradition, and Muslims have to try and understand how that happens, because outsiders certainly can’t help there).

When even countries like Egypt air “documentaries” about the “Protocols of the Elders of Zion” pretending it is historical fact, something is really wrong here. Spreading rumours about others is certainly easier than engaging in self-criticism.

2 responses to “More on disturbing cultural biases

  1. You know, if you search back far enough, I bet you can find that almost any person of European descent has a Jew somewhere in their family, which might be where the conspiracy theorists are coming from. Intermarriage between ethnicities is more common than fanatics of any stripe would like to acknowledge.

  2. That is quite likely the case. Humans are notoriously bad at — or rather, have an oversensitive capacity for detecting — coincidences, seeing patterns in coincidences. And very good at ignoring any evidence to the contrary, once they are set on something!

    The bias, as I mentioned in the original entry, is certainly not entirely one-sided: a lot of ultra-Orthodox Jews would ignore what even Ben Gurion acknowledged, that the Palestinian Arabs (esp. the Christians) are at least as likely as current Israeli Jews as being descended from Roman-era Jews. Some characteristics — slanted eyes — are speculated, even by research published in the Commentary, to indicate Khazar Turk origin, rather than a Semitic one.

    The sad thing is that throughout their shared history, Christians are more likely to hold anti-Jewish sentiments than Muslims. While Jews in the West were being cleansed or ghettoized (Britain was virtually Jew-free between the burning of York Castle and Industrial Era immigration), Jews in the Islamic world coexist peacefully and even rise to positions of power.

    Modern anti-semitism is a disturbing counterpart of fascistic tendencies throughout the world; a mishmash of contradictory impulses. Just as we have Russian neo-Nazi thugs with links to officially anti-Nazi authorities, we also have anti-Semitic Arabs (who are themselves Semites), and knee-jerk anti-Semitism in the rest of the Muslim world, even among people who have no grudge against the Jewish people except over Jerusalem. After all, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion started out as Tsarist chekist propaganda, and Muslim authorities start embracing anti-Semitism properly when the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem threw in his lot with Hitler.