As it turns out, my earlier conversation is degenerating into a case of full-blown conspiracy theory. One fears for the future of humanity when some people appear to be doing their damndest to prove Samuel Huntington correct.
Well I am talking about crypto-jews such as Sarkozy, Merkel, a lot of the Bush administration’s politicians and some nationalist leaders in Turkey. I know some cases from latin-america too. I’m seeing a pattern here and I think that’s so obvious.
Another strange point for Turkey is that some of the extremist “muslim” (!) terror groups have relations with masons and “Dönme”s. Hizbullah in Turkey had (now dead) a Dönme (secret Jewish) leader.
Another point is that in Islam, it is forbidden to kill people (if they are not trying to kill you at that moment). An Islamic leader says “A Muslim can’t be a terrorist and a terrorist can’t be Muslim”. So there can’t be a jihadism (in western means) at all. It is theoretically impossible. You can’t make war with noone if they are not attacking you. Jihad is about making war with your flesh and about spreading the word. So jihadism can’t stem from inside the muslim tradition..
I am trying to stay objective in response, but it is getting near to the point where I’d have to give up on any pretense of carrying out a dialogue, because it’s getting rather clear that what I’m saying is not getting through:
I’m sorry, but that’s being in denial. Most religions’ mainstream followers are moderate, but it is the case that the stray extremists of all creed (be it ultra-Orthodox Jews, fundamentalist Christians, or Islamists) claim to be strict adherents of their respective faith.
Disavowing them is convenient, but does not really help matter. You can call these people apostates, sure, but denying that they come from the same root as the rest of you is really a sophistic argument, it sounds really glib and disingenuous to outsiders.
The fact of the matter is, to a non-Muslim it does look like both Christians and Jews are actually more vocal in their criticism of their own fundamentalist branches, than moderate Muslims are of the jihadists. Your case in point — you deny that they are even Muslims (strictly speaking, they are not, but they come from the Muslim tradition, and Muslims have to try and understand how that happens, because outsiders certainly can’t help there).
When even countries like Egypt air “documentaries” about the “Protocols of the Elders of Zion” pretending it is historical fact, something is really wrong here. Spreading rumours about others is certainly easier than engaging in self-criticism.