Comments on: Why you should conditionally promise to buy the upcoming Nokia N810 tablet http://hircus.wordpress.com/2007/10/17/why-you-should-conditionally-promise-to-buy-the-upcoming-nokia-n810-tablet/ Michel explores computing and assorted gadgetries Mon, 07 Dec 2009 23:12:37 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Madabar.techblog » Nokia vs Ogg http://hircus.wordpress.com/2007/10/17/why-you-should-conditionally-promise-to-buy-the-upcoming-nokia-n810-tablet/#comment-4413 Madabar.techblog » Nokia vs Ogg Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:56:57 +0000 http://hircus.wordpress.com/2007/10/17/why-you-should-conditionally-promise-to-buy-the-upcoming-nokia-n810-tablet/#comment-4413 [...] og [...] [...] og [...]

]]> By: hircus http://hircus.wordpress.com/2007/10/17/why-you-should-conditionally-promise-to-buy-the-upcoming-nokia-n810-tablet/#comment-4146 hircus Mon, 19 Nov 2007 06:04:17 +0000 http://hircus.wordpress.com/2007/10/17/why-you-should-conditionally-promise-to-buy-the-upcoming-nokia-n810-tablet/#comment-4146 A.T.: "force them make this mix possible in first place, i.e. not prohibited by law" I don't think it's a legal problem -- the Japanese-made Rio Karma supported Ogg and FLAC; after Rio's assets were bought by Sigmatel, the platform is then used by TrekStor, a German company, to produce the vibez player with the same functionalities. You also get Korean players that play Vorbis just fine. Vorbis is patent-free, and the onus is on the MP3/MP4/etc. license holders to show otherwise, since the Vorbis code is available for them to check. Now, companies like Apple has an interest in locking in their users and thus might have ulterior motives for not supporting Vorbis. For the other companies it's simply lack of demand -- Ari Jaaksi, a Nokia VP in charge of the tablets, never mentioned legal reasons for not including the codecs. It's just management's calculation of how to prioritize developer resources. A.T.:

“force them make this mix possible in first place, i.e. not prohibited by law”

I don’t think it’s a legal problem — the Japanese-made Rio Karma supported Ogg and FLAC; after Rio’s assets were bought by Sigmatel, the platform is then used by TrekStor, a German company, to produce the vibez player with the same functionalities. You also get Korean players that play Vorbis just fine.

Vorbis is patent-free, and the onus is on the MP3/MP4/etc. license holders to show otherwise, since the Vorbis code is available for them to check. Now, companies like Apple has an interest in locking in their users and thus might have ulterior motives for not supporting Vorbis. For the other companies it’s simply lack of demand — Ari Jaaksi, a Nokia VP in charge of the tablets, never mentioned legal reasons for not including the codecs. It’s just management’s calculation of how to prioritize developer resources.

]]> By: A.T. http://hircus.wordpress.com/2007/10/17/why-you-should-conditionally-promise-to-buy-the-upcoming-nokia-n810-tablet/#comment-3991 A.T. Sun, 11 Nov 2007 17:55:29 +0000 http://hircus.wordpress.com/2007/10/17/why-you-should-conditionally-promise-to-buy-the-upcoming-nokia-n810-tablet/#comment-3991 unfortunately, lack of Ogg/Vorbis on Maemo platform is NOT caused by "blind Nokia" -- there are plenty open-source ambassadors inside OSSO team, and topic of Ogg/Vorbis is floating on top of agenda every time new gadget is planned. But it breaks over another iceberg -- IPR/patent/license legislation in every civilized country makes mixing Ogg/Vorbis and commercial codecs into mission-impossible. Before you even consider those 3 steps above, think again - the true step you have to do is to bother your legislator (senator/parliamentarian/etc) and force them make this mix possible in first place, i.e. not prohibited by law -- corporations do not enter politics, it is citizen's domain. And if citizens sit on their ass and do nothing - why corporations should, if nobody is interested? unfortunately, lack of Ogg/Vorbis on Maemo platform is NOT caused by “blind Nokia” — there are plenty open-source ambassadors inside OSSO team, and topic of Ogg/Vorbis is floating on top of agenda every time new gadget is planned. But it breaks over another iceberg — IPR/patent/license legislation in every civilized country makes mixing Ogg/Vorbis and commercial codecs into mission-impossible. Before you even consider those 3 steps above, think again – the true step you have to do is to bother your legislator (senator/parliamentarian/etc) and force them make this mix possible in first place, i.e. not prohibited by law — corporations do not enter politics, it is citizen’s domain. And if citizens sit on their ass and do nothing – why corporations should, if nobody is interested?

]]> By: benbego http://hircus.wordpress.com/2007/10/17/why-you-should-conditionally-promise-to-buy-the-upcoming-nokia-n810-tablet/#comment-3847 benbego Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:49:58 +0000 http://hircus.wordpress.com/2007/10/17/why-you-should-conditionally-promise-to-buy-the-upcoming-nokia-n810-tablet/#comment-3847 hmmm. nice product! salam kenal! From http://pcmavrc.wordpress.com hmmm. nice product! salam kenal! From http://pcmavrc.wordpress.com

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